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		By: Ron Cobb		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 02:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thestorydepartment.com/exposition-in-the-abyss/#comment-648&quot;&gt;Mac&lt;/a&gt;.

Mac,

Yes, of course, It is oxygenated fluorocarbon. I&#039;ve always been bad at remembering chemical designations. I guess if I had been technical adviser on The Abyss I would have killed Beany.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/exposition-in-the-abyss/#comment-648">Mac</a>.</p>
<p>Mac,</p>
<p>Yes, of course, It is oxygenated fluorocarbon. I&#8217;ve always been bad at remembering chemical designations. I guess if I had been technical adviser on The Abyss I would have killed Beany.</p>
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		By: G.R.Haines		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 12:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Special Edition DVD version is a must see. Pretty much an entire reel was cut for the theatrical version, and in the SE there is more to the underwater alien rescue scene, making it a more satisfying conclusion. There is also a great documentary in the special features on the making of the film, including the rat scene. The radio-equipped diving helmets were real and functional too, with much of the dialogue in the underwater scenes recorded this way; They just had to edit out the regulator noise in post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Special Edition DVD version is a must see. Pretty much an entire reel was cut for the theatrical version, and in the SE there is more to the underwater alien rescue scene, making it a more satisfying conclusion. There is also a great documentary in the special features on the making of the film, including the rat scene. The radio-equipped diving helmets were real and functional too, with much of the dialogue in the underwater scenes recorded this way; They just had to edit out the regulator noise in post.</p>
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		By: Mac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 10:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That was a great scene.

I read a produced script recently where the writer was reassuring everyone that the effect we are seeing is real.  After the description was the explanation &quot;(Yes, that’s how it works, and yes, you can buy them.)&quot;

BTW - It would have been oxygenated fluorocarbon, rather than hydrocarbon. It&#039;s similar, except with fluorine atoms instead of hydrogen atoms.  (Breathing hydrocarbons would be like breathing petrol!)

Fluorocarbon can also be used to wash out your lungs - because it just evaporates out afterwards.  They also experimented with using it to get good lung X-rays ... the idea is that could get the patient to liquid breath and then take X-rays continually until it evaporated .. the theory was that you could see what bits of the lung were being blocked.

Great in theory - pretty useless in practice which is why it never got out of the &#039;let&#039;s do it with sheep&#039; phase.  But it was a pretty cool concept !!!

I often wondered what the ASPCA made of that scene.  As they point out the rat isn&#039;t very happy about it.  It always seems odd that to make a film you kill hundreds of animals to feed the crew meat for every meal, yet you can&#039;t show real animals facing their real fates on set .. because that is &#039;cruel&#039; !

BTW - I absolutely loved the Abyss ... except for the last couple of minutes with the &#039;break all the rules&#039; Deus Ex Machina ending.

Mac
(Best scene, though - was definitely Bud&#039;s choice to let his lady drown.  It&#039;s the logical choice that I never thought I&#039;d see in a film - because it isn&#039;t the heroic choice

Great film.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a great scene.</p>
<p>I read a produced script recently where the writer was reassuring everyone that the effect we are seeing is real.  After the description was the explanation &#8220;(Yes, that’s how it works, and yes, you can buy them.)&#8221;</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; It would have been oxygenated fluorocarbon, rather than hydrocarbon. It&#8217;s similar, except with fluorine atoms instead of hydrogen atoms.  (Breathing hydrocarbons would be like breathing petrol!)</p>
<p>Fluorocarbon can also be used to wash out your lungs &#8211; because it just evaporates out afterwards.  They also experimented with using it to get good lung X-rays &#8230; the idea is that could get the patient to liquid breath and then take X-rays continually until it evaporated .. the theory was that you could see what bits of the lung were being blocked.</p>
<p>Great in theory &#8211; pretty useless in practice which is why it never got out of the &#8216;let&#8217;s do it with sheep&#8217; phase.  But it was a pretty cool concept !!!</p>
<p>I often wondered what the ASPCA made of that scene.  As they point out the rat isn&#8217;t very happy about it.  It always seems odd that to make a film you kill hundreds of animals to feed the crew meat for every meal, yet you can&#8217;t show real animals facing their real fates on set .. because that is &#8216;cruel&#8217; !</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; I absolutely loved the Abyss &#8230; except for the last couple of minutes with the &#8216;break all the rules&#8217; Deus Ex Machina ending.</p>
<p>Mac<br />
(Best scene, though &#8211; was definitely Bud&#8217;s choice to let his lady drown.  It&#8217;s the logical choice that I never thought I&#8217;d see in a film &#8211; because it isn&#8217;t the heroic choice</p>
<p>Great film.)</p>
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		By: Ron Cobb		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 05:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Karel,

It&#039;s always a pleasure to see you and have time to talk and catch up a bit.

Just in case you are challenged about the liquid breathing suit, I should add a few more details.
First, as I&#039;ve said, I was not there during the shooting and much of what I heard came later from people on the crew, but long before working on The Abyss I had been aware of this new technology and was delighted to find it featured in Jim&#039;s script. Apparently the U.S. Navy proposed developing and using this technique as a means of assisting crewmen to escape submarines disabled at great depths.           

Yes, in Cameron&#039;s feature the tinted helmet was used to imply Ed Harris was breathing the oxygenated fluid circulating in his suit but this was true for only the underwater long shots. The difficult detail, for Ed, was that his tinted helmet was not full of air, it was filled with clear water! Harris had to hold his breath for each take while pretending to breathe as long as he could. When his need for air became acute he would grab the handle (in front of his helmet) and open it, as a signal to a relief diver, who would bring him a regulator. The reason for all of this was Cameron&#039;s well known desire for realism. Jim wanted the fish bowl distortions and waving hair created by the flooded helmet. The tinting was only used to disguise the clear water inside.

On the other hand, the closeup shots, of Harris putting on the helmet, and filling it with the chemical, used a different illusion. This time the helmet was clear and the fluid that filled his helmet was tinted. All of Ed&#039;s reactions were (as with the underwater medium-long shots) the art and craft of acting as he pretending to panic and then breathe the fluid while holding his breath.

Good old fashioned floor effects.

Cheers,
Ron

P.S. All effects aside, I have been assured that the rat sequence used the actual oxygenated hydrocarbon as a  fluid and was real.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karel,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always a pleasure to see you and have time to talk and catch up a bit.</p>
<p>Just in case you are challenged about the liquid breathing suit, I should add a few more details.<br />
First, as I&#8217;ve said, I was not there during the shooting and much of what I heard came later from people on the crew, but long before working on The Abyss I had been aware of this new technology and was delighted to find it featured in Jim&#8217;s script. Apparently the U.S. Navy proposed developing and using this technique as a means of assisting crewmen to escape submarines disabled at great depths.           </p>
<p>Yes, in Cameron&#8217;s feature the tinted helmet was used to imply Ed Harris was breathing the oxygenated fluid circulating in his suit but this was true for only the underwater long shots. The difficult detail, for Ed, was that his tinted helmet was not full of air, it was filled with clear water! Harris had to hold his breath for each take while pretending to breathe as long as he could. When his need for air became acute he would grab the handle (in front of his helmet) and open it, as a signal to a relief diver, who would bring him a regulator. The reason for all of this was Cameron&#8217;s well known desire for realism. Jim wanted the fish bowl distortions and waving hair created by the flooded helmet. The tinting was only used to disguise the clear water inside.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the closeup shots, of Harris putting on the helmet, and filling it with the chemical, used a different illusion. This time the helmet was clear and the fluid that filled his helmet was tinted. All of Ed&#8217;s reactions were (as with the underwater medium-long shots) the art and craft of acting as he pretending to panic and then breathe the fluid while holding his breath.</p>
<p>Good old fashioned floor effects.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Ron</p>
<p>P.S. All effects aside, I have been assured that the rat sequence used the actual oxygenated hydrocarbon as a  fluid and was real.</p>
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		By: David Di Muro		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 01:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I always wondered how they did the special effect for that scene. Turns out it was real. Great to know!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wondered how they did the special effect for that scene. Turns out it was real. Great to know!</p>
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