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					<description><![CDATA[JT&#039;s comment Part 2 (maybe this makes more sense, if you read my previous comment below, first. Or maybe not, too - LOL)

- I also really thought that the comments/feedback from the Judges on `And Death Rode With Her&#039; were terrific too. ie - nailed the key issues, again. The Concept is GREAT. I would likely wanna go see this movie but possibly the Logline can be honed as suggested by the Story Dept Judges here.

ie Steven makes some excellent points here. (ie, I just happen to totally agree, LOL). 
ie - It currently (the wording of the Logline) does - accidentally? - read perhaps a little bit `camp&#039; as the concept is so huge - and so, it does indeed, ambiguously maybe tilt towards `spoof&#039; - and; this is unlikely to be the intention. 
ie - It&#039;s probably more meant to be: a `supernatural horror epic&#039; - like Constantine, or The Seventh Sign... 

ie So - possibly, the `Tone&#039; has therefore missed its target. Suggest: the Tone of a Logline actually needs to `tell us&#039; the genre, even in subtext. 

ie (This is all probably all very obvious) - a Logline for a comedy needs to make us laugh out loud; a Logline for a supernatural thriller-horror should (ideally) give us chills just from the simple statement of the Premise itself. (Also - I am not suggesting this is easy to do, in approx 25 words... but when it does: wow. And the `wow&#039; reaction is exactly what you need, right?)

So - I totally agree on the specific point that `deadly powers&#039; is a bit too vague. eg Can it be made more specific? `with deadly powers of telekenesis&#039; (say)

(or: of pyrokinesis, but, this was also `Firestarter&#039;, so, needs something different/`fresh&#039;, etc).

Agree with James&#039; points above.... Possibly - too much given away... And: fascinating points James makes about the 2-stage thing!!! ie - Sold! Totally agree. My analysis of the Top 20 ROI feature films indicates they are all 2-stage stories EXACTLY how you describe James, and contrary to popular mythology/misconception - Aristotle actually said this in `Poetics&#039;: 2 parts, exactly as James mentions. (and, the great Aristotle never actually said `3 Acts&#039;...)

Alternately though (just entertaining an unlikely thought here), it kind of IS high concept - to hit us with the idea of `the 4 Horsemen&#039;, if it can be done, somehow without giving away too much of the 2nd part/showdown aspect of the Story.

The original suggested Logline reads:
“When a grieving medic with deadly powers resists induction into the “When a grieving medic with deadly powers orsemen of the “When a grieving medic with deadly powers pocalypse, “When a grieving medic with deadly powers must battle the remaining three in order to save the world”

Note: I do like the `undeserved misfortune&#039; suggested here, always a good way to create empathy. (ie - grieving medic)

Alternately, maybe: suggest getting the idea of autopsy in there, (Bear with me... say a Coroner&#039;s intern. ie A Student who is learning how to do autopsies. This could tie in to Revelations if she protagonist manages to identify a recent death as the Herald of the beginning of the Armageddon leading to The Rapture, etc. `The Seventh Sign&#039; with Demi Moore actually handled this pretty well in many ways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Sign)

So - (this still isn&#039;t right, but the 4 horsemen are supposedly Pestilence, War, Famine and Death right?) I mean according to popular interpretation and like the popualr interpretation of Aristotle saying 3 Acts that may be problematic, I&#039;m no Biblical Scholar. (I&#039;ve read it - but I find parts of it deeply problematic. Long story; just me. I&#039;m a skeptical empiricist. Though I do like how there are `rhyming ideas&#039; though. ie they `repeat everything, twice&#039;, right? Good way to drum an idea into a reader. lol)

Anyway, suggest: give us some detail of the: Pestilence, War, Famine &#038; Death. ie How are they actually manifest, in this story? What&#039;s the `fresh angle&#039; on the cool apocalyptic Biblical mythology?

Eg - a random attempt (far from perfect)

“When a grieving coroner&#039;s intern discovers a horrific and deadly pandemic virus, she falls in with a secret wiccan cult - and must resist induction into the Horsemen of the Apocalypse, battling the remaining three - War, Famine &#038; Death - in order to save the world from the Last Judgement.”

So - loads of things clearly wrong with this, including: how long it is.

And - also - I probably just `broke the story&#039; here. LOL. 

ie - My own take (which is not necessarily `right&#039;) on such a concept might be that: some spectacular new `mutant pandemic virus&#039; (that: makes its victims&#039; blood turn to acid - and also literally boil inside their veins - and then - they explode, infecting everyone who thus, gets the virus on them - or: some-such unthinkable horror) is discovered in some dead people (in the autopsies). 

ie `Pestilence&#039;... But for some reason - this protagonist is immune - and once she&#039;s inducted into the cult, maybe she can spread the virus just by breathing on people, or even spitting - like a venom-spitting cobra. (ie be cool also if her head turned into a snake-head temporarily, as he was the original metaphor for Satan in Genesis yeah?)

There is a fascinating doco on the History of the Devil here, actually.
History Of The Devil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5mYFJ4irxM

Anyway, I do feel the judges really `nailed&#039; all the key issues with these Loglines and my opinion&#039;s just: one opinion. 

Also I happen to have a fascination for bushrangers. I wrote a horror-comedy zombie theatre play - (and spec feature film screenplay) - about The Ribbon Gang:
https://theabercrombiezombie.wordpress.com/

Anyway - this was very educational and edifying. Really brings some key issues about Loglines to the forefront of the thinking:

1) Short &#038; punchy! (ie - everything my suggested Logline above: isn&#039;t), 

2) Give us a Character in an Intense Situation and make us ask: Wow - Then What Happens???&quot; (ie Make us desperately curious and want to read the screenplay) 

3) Hint very strongly at the Genre, from the events/objects/things/words mentioned/used. (eg suggesting: The `Supernatural Apocalyptic Horror&#039; Genre - say...) 

Cheers, and thanks, The Story Dept!

Great stuff, as always.


JT Velikovsky
https://storyality.wordpress.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT&#8217;s comment Part 2 (maybe this makes more sense, if you read my previous comment below, first. Or maybe not, too &#8211; LOL)</p>
<p>&#8211; I also really thought that the comments/feedback from the Judges on `And Death Rode With Her&#8217; were terrific too. ie &#8211; nailed the key issues, again. The Concept is GREAT. I would likely wanna go see this movie but possibly the Logline can be honed as suggested by the Story Dept Judges here.</p>
<p>ie Steven makes some excellent points here. (ie, I just happen to totally agree, LOL).<br />
ie &#8211; It currently (the wording of the Logline) does &#8211; accidentally? &#8211; read perhaps a little bit `camp&#8217; as the concept is so huge &#8211; and so, it does indeed, ambiguously maybe tilt towards `spoof&#8217; &#8211; and; this is unlikely to be the intention.<br />
ie &#8211; It&#8217;s probably more meant to be: a `supernatural horror epic&#8217; &#8211; like Constantine, or The Seventh Sign&#8230; </p>
<p>ie So &#8211; possibly, the `Tone&#8217; has therefore missed its target. Suggest: the Tone of a Logline actually needs to `tell us&#8217; the genre, even in subtext. </p>
<p>ie (This is all probably all very obvious) &#8211; a Logline for a comedy needs to make us laugh out loud; a Logline for a supernatural thriller-horror should (ideally) give us chills just from the simple statement of the Premise itself. (Also &#8211; I am not suggesting this is easy to do, in approx 25 words&#8230; but when it does: wow. And the `wow&#8217; reaction is exactly what you need, right?)</p>
<p>So &#8211; I totally agree on the specific point that `deadly powers&#8217; is a bit too vague. eg Can it be made more specific? `with deadly powers of telekenesis&#8217; (say)</p>
<p>(or: of pyrokinesis, but, this was also `Firestarter&#8217;, so, needs something different/`fresh&#8217;, etc).</p>
<p>Agree with James&#8217; points above&#8230;. Possibly &#8211; too much given away&#8230; And: fascinating points James makes about the 2-stage thing!!! ie &#8211; Sold! Totally agree. My analysis of the Top 20 ROI feature films indicates they are all 2-stage stories EXACTLY how you describe James, and contrary to popular mythology/misconception &#8211; Aristotle actually said this in `Poetics&#8217;: 2 parts, exactly as James mentions. (and, the great Aristotle never actually said `3 Acts&#8217;&#8230;)</p>
<p>Alternately though (just entertaining an unlikely thought here), it kind of IS high concept &#8211; to hit us with the idea of `the 4 Horsemen&#8217;, if it can be done, somehow without giving away too much of the 2nd part/showdown aspect of the Story.</p>
<p>The original suggested Logline reads:<br />
“When a grieving medic with deadly powers resists induction into the “When a grieving medic with deadly powers orsemen of the “When a grieving medic with deadly powers pocalypse, “When a grieving medic with deadly powers must battle the remaining three in order to save the world”</p>
<p>Note: I do like the `undeserved misfortune&#8217; suggested here, always a good way to create empathy. (ie &#8211; grieving medic)</p>
<p>Alternately, maybe: suggest getting the idea of autopsy in there, (Bear with me&#8230; say a Coroner&#8217;s intern. ie A Student who is learning how to do autopsies. This could tie in to Revelations if she protagonist manages to identify a recent death as the Herald of the beginning of the Armageddon leading to The Rapture, etc. `The Seventh Sign&#8217; with Demi Moore actually handled this pretty well in many ways. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Sign" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Sign</a>)</p>
<p>So &#8211; (this still isn&#8217;t right, but the 4 horsemen are supposedly Pestilence, War, Famine and Death right?) I mean according to popular interpretation and like the popualr interpretation of Aristotle saying 3 Acts that may be problematic, I&#8217;m no Biblical Scholar. (I&#8217;ve read it &#8211; but I find parts of it deeply problematic. Long story; just me. I&#8217;m a skeptical empiricist. Though I do like how there are `rhyming ideas&#8217; though. ie they `repeat everything, twice&#8217;, right? Good way to drum an idea into a reader. lol)</p>
<p>Anyway, suggest: give us some detail of the: Pestilence, War, Famine &amp; Death. ie How are they actually manifest, in this story? What&#8217;s the `fresh angle&#8217; on the cool apocalyptic Biblical mythology?</p>
<p>Eg &#8211; a random attempt (far from perfect)</p>
<p>“When a grieving coroner&#8217;s intern discovers a horrific and deadly pandemic virus, she falls in with a secret wiccan cult &#8211; and must resist induction into the Horsemen of the Apocalypse, battling the remaining three &#8211; War, Famine &amp; Death &#8211; in order to save the world from the Last Judgement.”</p>
<p>So &#8211; loads of things clearly wrong with this, including: how long it is.</p>
<p>And &#8211; also &#8211; I probably just `broke the story&#8217; here. LOL. </p>
<p>ie &#8211; My own take (which is not necessarily `right&#8217;) on such a concept might be that: some spectacular new `mutant pandemic virus&#8217; (that: makes its victims&#8217; blood turn to acid &#8211; and also literally boil inside their veins &#8211; and then &#8211; they explode, infecting everyone who thus, gets the virus on them &#8211; or: some-such unthinkable horror) is discovered in some dead people (in the autopsies). </p>
<p>ie `Pestilence&#8217;&#8230; But for some reason &#8211; this protagonist is immune &#8211; and once she&#8217;s inducted into the cult, maybe she can spread the virus just by breathing on people, or even spitting &#8211; like a venom-spitting cobra. (ie be cool also if her head turned into a snake-head temporarily, as he was the original metaphor for Satan in Genesis yeah?)</p>
<p>There is a fascinating doco on the History of the Devil here, actually.<br />
History Of The Devil<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5mYFJ4irxM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5mYFJ4irxM</a></p>
<p>Anyway, I do feel the judges really `nailed&#8217; all the key issues with these Loglines and my opinion&#8217;s just: one opinion. </p>
<p>Also I happen to have a fascination for bushrangers. I wrote a horror-comedy zombie theatre play &#8211; (and spec feature film screenplay) &#8211; about The Ribbon Gang:<br />
<a href="https://theabercrombiezombie.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theabercrombiezombie.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; this was very educational and edifying. Really brings some key issues about Loglines to the forefront of the thinking:</p>
<p>1) Short &amp; punchy! (ie &#8211; everything my suggested Logline above: isn&#8217;t), </p>
<p>2) Give us a Character in an Intense Situation and make us ask: Wow &#8211; Then What Happens???&#8221; (ie Make us desperately curious and want to read the screenplay) </p>
<p>3) Hint very strongly at the Genre, from the events/objects/things/words mentioned/used. (eg suggesting: The `Supernatural Apocalyptic Horror&#8217; Genre &#8211; say&#8230;) </p>
<p>Cheers, and thanks, The Story Dept!</p>
<p>Great stuff, as always.</p>
<p>JT Velikovsky<br />
<a href="https://storyality.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://storyality.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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