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		<title>When the script and story gurus speak</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most &#8216;gurus&#8217; each have their own area of expertise and angle of attack, they each follow their own agenda. And with every new light shed on the craft, different people may see that light. Don&#8217;t they ever contradict each other? And if they do, which truth do YOU choose? Screenwriting is a dynamic craft. What ... <a title="When the script and story gurus speak" class="read-more" href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/when-the-gurus-speak/" aria-label="Read more about When the script and story gurus speak">Read more</a>]]></description>
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<h3 style="text-align: left;"><strong><span style="color: #336699;">Most &#8216;gurus&#8217; each have their own area of expertise and angle of attack, they each follow their own agenda. And with every new light shed on the craft, different people may see that light.</span></strong></h3>
<p>Don&#8217;t they ever contradict each other? And if they do, which truth do YOU choose?</p>
<p>Screenwriting is a dynamic craft. What Syd Field wrote back in 1979 was state-of-the-art&#8230; but things change.</p>
<h3>Earlier theories fall short when it comes to writing successfully for today&#8217;s audiences.</h3>
<p>And surely Aristotle&#8217;s basic  beginning-middle-end will not get you far &#8211; if applied only to the story spine.</p>
<p>Screenwriting principles and techniques keep getting ever more sophisticated as successful movies bend or refine the old molds and screenwriters share their secrets.</p>
<p>The mere fact that the gurus keep being reprinted (Field for thirty years now, Aristotle for 2,000) exposes them to obsolescence. Yet there doesn&#8217;t seem to be any flagrant contradictions between what most recognised story teachers and screenwriting authors have said.</p>
<p>Here is a choice of statements and claims that you may not fully agree with. Let us know what you think:</p>
<p>&#8211; McKee says &#8220;The finest writing not only reveals true character, but arcs&#8221;. This sweeping statement has been successfully contested by Mystery Man in<strong> <a href="https://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/03/case-against-character-arcs.html" target="_blank">a fine piece of research and clear and unbiased thinking</a></strong>.</p>
<p>&#8211; John Truby and <strong><a href="https://www.writersstore.com/article.php?articles_id=555" target="_blank">James Bonnett</a></strong> denounce the 3-act structure. As I yet have to find a discrepancy between Truby&#8217;s teaching and the 3-act structure, I assume it&#8217;s just <strong><a href="https://thestorydepartment.blogspot.com/2008/04/its-academic.html" target="_blank">a matter of marketing</a></strong>.</p>
<p>&#8211; <strong>Michael Hauge</strong> once said that Inner and Outer journeys are completely separate. In <strong><a href="/michael-hauge-1/">a</a></strong><strong><a href="/michael-hauge-1/">n interview on this blog</a></strong> he tells us how he has changed his view on this, which will be included in the revision of WRITING SCREENPLAYS THAT SELL.</p>
<p>&#8211; In Save The Cat, Blake Snyder called the Mid Point either a &#8220;false peak&#8221; or a &#8220;false collapse&#8221;. No mention of an Inner Journey, which is essential to e.g. Michael Hauge&#8217;s approach to that crucial story point.</p>
<p>&#8211; <strong>Defining what we call the Inciting Inciden</strong><strong>t</strong>, Billy Stoneking asks &#8220;What INITIAL PROBLEM or OPPORTUNITY confronts <strong>or is created by the main character</strong> [&#8230;]&#8221; This includes the assumption that <a href="/exciting-coincidence/"><strong>the Inciting Incident can be created by the Hero</strong></a>.</p>
<p>&#8211; <strong><a href="https://kalbashir.com" target="_blank">Kal Bashir</a></strong> in his detailed and insightful Monomyth eBook says: <strong><em>&#8220;</em><em><span style="font-weight: normal;">in Star Wars (1977), music when Luke appears signals that there is a quality about him.&#8221; <span style="font-style: normal;">But what use is it to the screenwriter?</span></span></em></strong></p>
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<h3>What theory do you follow? Ever changed your mind along the way?</h3>
<p>A very small minority of successful screenwriters denounces all theory. They follow &#8220;their gut&#8221;. But most working writers know there&#8217;s a hell of a lot you can learn from studying films and screenplays as well as reading up on modern story theory.</p>
<p>In my work with screenwriters, I&#8217;m learning every day and I constantly refine my own views. In the first screenwriting lesson I ever taught, I stated that the Inciting Incident should be a &#8216;deus ex machina&#8217; (oh dear oh dear&#8230;). I knew darn well what a deus ex machina was but clearly hadn&#8217;t nailed the essence of the Inciting Incident yet.</p>
<p>I also once disagreed with Linda Aronson when she stated that Ridley Scott&#8217;s THE INSIDER was a failure. I vehemently argued against this. <strong><a href="https://www.boxofficemojo.com" target="_blank">Boxoffice Mojo</a></strong> reports for THE INSIDER a worldwide Box Office of $60,289,912 and a budget of about $90,000,000.</p>
<p>Epic fail, Segers.</p>
<div class="saboxplugin-wrap" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person" itemscope itemprop="author"><div class="saboxplugin-tab"><div class="saboxplugin-gravatar"><img alt='Karel FG Segers' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7f7036afec18838e556057d7300476fdc1b21804bf893e3963108bdd69c0f0c7?s=100&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7f7036afec18838e556057d7300476fdc1b21804bf893e3963108bdd69c0f0c7?s=200&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-100 photo' height='100' width='100' itemprop="image"/></div><div class="saboxplugin-authorname"><a href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/author/karel-segers/" class="vcard author" rel="author"><span class="fn">Karel FG Segers</span></a></div><div class="saboxplugin-desc"><div itemprop="description"><p>Karel Segers wrote <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PqQjgjo1wA"> his first produced screenplay</a> at age 17. Today he is a story analyst with experience in acquisition, development and production. He has trained students worldwide, and worked with half a dozen Academy Award nominees. Karel speaks more European languages than he has fingers on his left hand, which he is still trying to find a use for in his hometown of Sydney, Australia. The languages, not the fingers.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[While you were out celebrating New Year&#8217;s Eve, I was watching David Cronenberg&#8217;s eXistenZ on DVD. Not that I&#8217;m such a pathetic hermit; it was just my wife&#8217;s fun idea of closing the Old Year. She admitted afterwards she might have been wrong. Missing the Sydney Fireworks and all that. Meanwhile, the Story Dept. has ... <a title="The Secret" class="read-more" href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/secret/" aria-label="Read more about The Secret">Read more</a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span><strong>While you were out celebrating New Year&#8217;s Eve, I was watching David Cronenberg&#8217;s </strong><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120907/"><strong>eXistenZ</strong></a><strong> on DVD. Not that I&#8217;m such a pathetic hermit; it was just my wife&#8217;s fun idea of closing the Old Year. She admitted afterwards she might have been wrong. Missing the Sydney Fireworks and all that. </strong></span></p>
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<p>Meanwhile, the Story Dept. has entered its third calendar year, offering workshops, one-on-one <a href="https://ozzywood.com/services">consultancy</a> PLUS a <a href="https://ozzywood.com/premium">Premium Version</a> of this blog, exclusive to clients and<br />
subscribers. The Hero&#8217;s Journey continues, the obsession grows. <a href="https://bp0.blogger.com/_oLrUJV3TOrE/R4C_H_RzFSI/AAAAAAAAB5E/A9cvKTnuo_E/s1600-h/8.JPG"><img decoding="async" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5152328117677921570" style="margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px;" src="https://bp0.blogger.com/_oLrUJV3TOrE/R4C_H_RzFSI/AAAAAAAAB5E/A9cvKTnuo_E/s320/8.JPG" border="0" alt="" width="206" height="110" /></a></p>
<p>THE HERO&#8217;S SECRET</p>
<p><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120907/" target="_blank"><img decoding="async" src="https://bp1.blogger.com/_oLrUJV3TOrE/R4LOcvRzFaI/AAAAAAAAB6I/96mc4uUJb7k/s320/existenz.jpg" alt="eXistenZ" width="100" height="132" /><strong>eXistenZ</strong></a>, named after a fictitious virtual reality video game, was released around the same time as THE MATRIX; the timing having been an excuse for its poor performance. I was surprised to see Roger Ebert&#8217;s review not really giving us any critical assessment of the film; all he says is:<span style="font-style: italic;">&#8220;eXistenZ&#8217; is likely to appeal especially to computer game players&#8221;</span>. He probably means: <em>&#8220;It sucked but I don&#8217;t know why.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The film remains original and entertaining but I believe the end holds a crucial mistake as it turns out our heroes have been keeping a secret from us. This goes directly against a key principle of writing for the screen: a protagonist must share with us their knowledge and emotions.</p>
<p>In the <a href="https://ozzywood.com/premium">Premium Edition</a> (see also below) I will look at a few more examples of heroes who are ruining box office prospects by withholding information or being unreliable for other reasons.<br />
THE WRITER&#8217;S SECRET</p>
<p><a href="https://bp3.blogger.com/_oLrUJV3TOrE/R4BMWvRzFQI/AAAAAAAAB40/fWDk5KBC3YY/s1600-h/secret.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img decoding="async" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5152201927243797762" style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; width: 112px; cursor: pointer; height: 134px;" src="https://bp3.blogger.com/_oLrUJV3TOrE/R4BMWvRzFQI/AAAAAAAAB40/fWDk5KBC3YY/s320/secret.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a>When I asked one of my most loyal clients for a testimonial, he refused. I was baffled. <em>&#8220;Karel,&#8221;</em> he said, <em>&#8220;if you knew where the gold was buried, would you go and tell everyone?&#8221;</em> At first I thought that was a lame excuse, but then I had no reason NOT to believe him. He is a film industry professional who always puts his money where his mouth is. He is continuing our collaboration throughout 2008. But I&#8217;m not allowed to tell anybody.</p>
<p>My Unknown Client says about the story theory I&#8217;m teaching and applying during my consultancies <em>&#8220;it&#8217;s the film industry&#8217;s best kept secret.&#8221;</em> In many ways, he is right. Despite the title of Robert McKee&#8217;s bestselling screenwriting manual &#8216;STORY&#8217;, he only dedicates a relatively brief section to the principles of  story structure. Many screenwriting manuals do <em>mention </em>the three-act structure but forget to explain <em><strong>why</strong></em> it works and <em><strong>why</strong></em> it is successful. Without a proper foundation, the 3-act structure remains dead theory.</p>
<p>Some people say Australian film schools are gravely deficient in the area of structure and if I am to believe my clients, many AWG script assessors tend to barely brush over it, too. In <a href="https://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22995224-15803,00.html" target="_blank">an article in The Australian</a> last week, Joan Sauers, Billy Stoneking and Duncan Thompson blamed Australian scripts. Again. And again they forgot to mention what William Goldman said: <em>&#8220;Story is structure&#8221;</em></p>
<div class="saboxplugin-wrap" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person" itemscope itemprop="author"><div class="saboxplugin-tab"><div class="saboxplugin-gravatar"><img alt='Karel FG Segers' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7f7036afec18838e556057d7300476fdc1b21804bf893e3963108bdd69c0f0c7?s=100&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7f7036afec18838e556057d7300476fdc1b21804bf893e3963108bdd69c0f0c7?s=200&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-100 photo' height='100' width='100' itemprop="image"/></div><div class="saboxplugin-authorname"><a href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/author/karel-segers/" class="vcard author" rel="author"><span class="fn">Karel FG Segers</span></a></div><div class="saboxplugin-desc"><div itemprop="description"><p>Karel Segers wrote <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PqQjgjo1wA"> his first produced screenplay</a> at age 17. Today he is a story analyst with experience in acquisition, development and production. He has trained students worldwide, and worked with half a dozen Academy Award nominees. Karel speaks more European languages than he has fingers on his left hand, which he is still trying to find a use for in his hometown of Sydney, Australia. The languages, not the fingers.</p>
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