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		By: Storytelling and Marketing - Great StorytellingGreat Storytelling		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] messages, leading the client- not pushing.&#160;Also here is an additional resource list of The 11 Laws of Great Storytelling, form another source.     [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Cody James Ong		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah this is what STUDIOS want a director or screenwriter to follow, I&#039;m pretty sure the Coen bros or Terrance Malick or a handful of other directors with substatial credibility don&#039;t follow more then half of these rules. This isn&#039;t a rule guide, it&#039;s a fall short and play it safe guide. How about a page that shows why movies don&#039;t need to fall into the studio system, only making movies for money and not for storytelling. Because this article hits every single action/comic money making only movie I can think of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah this is what STUDIOS want a director or screenwriter to follow, I&#8217;m pretty sure the Coen bros or Terrance Malick or a handful of other directors with substatial credibility don&#8217;t follow more then half of these rules. This isn&#8217;t a rule guide, it&#8217;s a fall short and play it safe guide. How about a page that shows why movies don&#8217;t need to fall into the studio system, only making movies for money and not for storytelling. Because this article hits every single action/comic money making only movie I can think of.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Jim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey there, I linked to this article in December, but thought I&#039;d drop by to throw in my 2 cents.  I agree that most of them are things you&#039;ve heard before, but I do actually like the A.D.D. point as I do think audience&#039;s attention spans are growing shorter and shorter.

One thing, though, that I think is really wrong is his analysis of the characters in &quot;Toy Story 2&quot;.  I originally wrote:

Big Al is NOT the villain of Toy Story 2.  He is not actively preventing the other toys from saving Woody.  Stinky Pete is.  Stinky Pete is the Antagonist of the film, even if it isn’t revealed until much later in the story.  His efforts were always there, just hidden from us.  Big Al is the Contagonist of the film, meaning he is the character who generally gets in the way, driven by the temptation of making big bucks off of the little toys.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, I linked to this article in December, but thought I&#8217;d drop by to throw in my 2 cents.  I agree that most of them are things you&#8217;ve heard before, but I do actually like the A.D.D. point as I do think audience&#8217;s attention spans are growing shorter and shorter.</p>
<p>One thing, though, that I think is really wrong is his analysis of the characters in &#8220;Toy Story 2&#8221;.  I originally wrote:</p>
<p>Big Al is NOT the villain of Toy Story 2.  He is not actively preventing the other toys from saving Woody.  Stinky Pete is.  Stinky Pete is the Antagonist of the film, even if it isn’t revealed until much later in the story.  His efforts were always there, just hidden from us.  Big Al is the Contagonist of the film, meaning he is the character who generally gets in the way, driven by the temptation of making big bucks off of the little toys.</p>
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		By: Neilan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Having re-read my original comment, that sounded a lot ruder than I&#039;d meant it to sound.  The tone of the comment was wrong, but the point was not.

I do read screenplays by aspiring writers.

With the exceptions of point 7, point 10 and point 11, the article has no level of expertise and could have been written by any relatively well informed film student.

Point 7 could have been written by anyone who has skim-read McKee or Field, and presumes to make imprecise generalisations sound like steadfast laws: &#039;by page 10 readers expect to be introduced to your hero, what he wants, and the genre&#039; - I&#039;ve heard the same thing said by readers, producers, writers and academics who&#039;ve placed it at page 2, page 4, page 5, page 10, page 15... all with similarly misleading finality, without a detailed explanation.

Point 10 is useful and accurate, but ultra simplified, and with absolutely no disclaimer mentioning what an ultra simplification this is.  Simplifications can be useful, especially to novices, but only when treated as such, otherwise they quickly lead to cliche and can stunt a young writer&#039;s progress - like a guitarist or pianist learning a song he is not skilled enough to play at full speed, and therefore learning his mistakes and imperfections along with the melody.  And I&#039;ll give an example of a film I and many other grown-ups love that disproves the first paragraph of point 10: Taxi Driver.

As for Point 11, everything except sub-points 2 and 3 (revealing a significant character trait, resolving the central problem) could have been written by an amateur.  It could have been written by a dentist who likes to go to the cinema a lot.  It&#039;s full of vague generalisations, and contains little or no insight into the craft of screenwriting.

I apologise for my first rudely worded comment.

I do wonder though if you could address some of the examples I gave in relation to the points made in this article?  The Dardenne Brothers?  Michael Haneke?  PT Anderson?  The Coens?  Or even the case of Paul Schrader&#039;s Taxi Driver?  The 400 Blows?  Le Samourai?  The Bicycle Thieves?

Could you explain Taxi Driver in terms of &quot;The Goal&quot;, &quot;The Stakes&quot; and &quot;The Villain&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having re-read my original comment, that sounded a lot ruder than I&#8217;d meant it to sound.  The tone of the comment was wrong, but the point was not.</p>
<p>I do read screenplays by aspiring writers.</p>
<p>With the exceptions of point 7, point 10 and point 11, the article has no level of expertise and could have been written by any relatively well informed film student.</p>
<p>Point 7 could have been written by anyone who has skim-read McKee or Field, and presumes to make imprecise generalisations sound like steadfast laws: &#8216;by page 10 readers expect to be introduced to your hero, what he wants, and the genre&#8217; &#8211; I&#8217;ve heard the same thing said by readers, producers, writers and academics who&#8217;ve placed it at page 2, page 4, page 5, page 10, page 15&#8230; all with similarly misleading finality, without a detailed explanation.</p>
<p>Point 10 is useful and accurate, but ultra simplified, and with absolutely no disclaimer mentioning what an ultra simplification this is.  Simplifications can be useful, especially to novices, but only when treated as such, otherwise they quickly lead to cliche and can stunt a young writer&#8217;s progress &#8211; like a guitarist or pianist learning a song he is not skilled enough to play at full speed, and therefore learning his mistakes and imperfections along with the melody.  And I&#8217;ll give an example of a film I and many other grown-ups love that disproves the first paragraph of point 10: Taxi Driver.</p>
<p>As for Point 11, everything except sub-points 2 and 3 (revealing a significant character trait, resolving the central problem) could have been written by an amateur.  It could have been written by a dentist who likes to go to the cinema a lot.  It&#8217;s full of vague generalisations, and contains little or no insight into the craft of screenwriting.</p>
<p>I apologise for my first rudely worded comment.</p>
<p>I do wonder though if you could address some of the examples I gave in relation to the points made in this article?  The Dardenne Brothers?  Michael Haneke?  PT Anderson?  The Coens?  Or even the case of Paul Schrader&#8217;s Taxi Driver?  The 400 Blows?  Le Samourai?  The Bicycle Thieves?</p>
<p>Could you explain Taxi Driver in terms of &#8220;The Goal&#8221;, &#8220;The Stakes&#8221; and &#8220;The Villain&#8221;?</p>
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		By: storydude		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neilan, do you read screenplays by aspiring screenwriters? I find that these observations are not obvious. They are an excellent summary of some of the key problems.

Tim, thank you for your comment. You are right and I do sincerely hope most readers will understand that they are not breaking the law by ignoring these tips (LOL).

I do however agree that screenwriting and storytelling are often confused and this is not always helpful. 

That said, it is necessary to update our terminology to fit the times we live in. 

I believe the main contemporary forms of storytelling are TV drama, news and advertising.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neilan, do you read screenplays by aspiring screenwriters? I find that these observations are not obvious. They are an excellent summary of some of the key problems.</p>
<p>Tim, thank you for your comment. You are right and I do sincerely hope most readers will understand that they are not breaking the law by ignoring these tips (LOL).</p>
<p>I do however agree that screenwriting and storytelling are often confused and this is not always helpful. </p>
<p>That said, it is necessary to update our terminology to fit the times we live in. </p>
<p>I believe the main contemporary forms of storytelling are TV drama, news and advertising.</p>
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		By: Tim Sheppard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An assistant professor should know the difference between a law and a helpful tip - these are not remotely like laws. Neither are they about storytelling, but deal with screenwriting. The term &#039;storytelling&#039; may be constantly stolen by those wanting to gain credibility by association with an ancient oral art, but the ancient oral art is still practiced today by plenty of us and is a lot more sophisticated than this rather sorry collection of tips is aware of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An assistant professor should know the difference between a law and a helpful tip &#8211; these are not remotely like laws. Neither are they about storytelling, but deal with screenwriting. The term &#8216;storytelling&#8217; may be constantly stolen by those wanting to gain credibility by association with an ancient oral art, but the ancient oral art is still practiced today by plenty of us and is a lot more sophisticated than this rather sorry collection of tips is aware of.</p>
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