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		By: Shamedown #9: Touch of Evil &#8211; Taking Up Room		</title>
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		By: Touch of Evil - Welles Was Some Kind Of ManThe Story Department		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Above all, the appeal of Touch Of Evil for me lies in its morality &#8211; and its thematic ambiguity. As a result of this, it is not entirely clear who is the real main character in this film. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Above all, the appeal of Touch Of Evil for me lies in its morality &#8211; and its thematic ambiguity. As a result of this, it is not entirely clear who is the real main character in this film. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Why You Should Steer Clear Of Dual Protagonists &#171; The Story Department The Story Department		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 00:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] you see that these dual protagonist are never completely equal? See also my related thoughts on different types of main character in Touch Of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] you see that these dual protagonist are never completely equal? See also my related thoughts on different types of main character in Touch Of [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The central idea in noir is the moral corruption of the protagonist. This corruption often comes from inside the character and from external forces such as the femme fatale. You can also consider the context of noir. It comes after World War II where ordinary men have done immoral things. It puts into question every man&#039;s ability to stay pure and good.

&#039;Touch of Evil&#039; is usually classified as a neo-noir. It has elements of noir but doesn&#039;t fulfill what became the definition of noir. The &#039;Maltese Falcon&#039; is the same. Spade adheres to the code. He is not corrupted.

The concept of &#039;hero&#039; confuses the drama. The protagonist is the one who has the central goal in the film and the audience should want to see him succeed in achieving the goal. Vargas is the protagonist. Without Vargas the film has no reason to exist. His goal is to defend the innocent man and take down Quinlan. What is complicated and wonderful about &#039;Touch of Evil&#039; is how Welles makes the villain sympathetic. A great example of a somewhat &#039;modern&#039; film is &quot;Wall Street&quot;. Gordon Gecko is designed to be the villain in the film but he turns out to be a much stronger character with more dimension. Vargas and Bud come come off as earnest and boring compared to their counterparts. If the filmmakers painted these characters with an archetypal brush then we might feel different about them (monsters). Both characters are driven by what they believe is right (Quinlan and Gecko) and they end up overshadowing the righteous and earnest protagonists. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The central idea in noir is the moral corruption of the protagonist. This corruption often comes from inside the character and from external forces such as the femme fatale. You can also consider the context of noir. It comes after World War II where ordinary men have done immoral things. It puts into question every man&#8217;s ability to stay pure and good.</p>
<p>&#8216;Touch of Evil&#8217; is usually classified as a neo-noir. It has elements of noir but doesn&#8217;t fulfill what became the definition of noir. The &#8216;Maltese Falcon&#8217; is the same. Spade adheres to the code. He is not corrupted.</p>
<p>The concept of &#8216;hero&#8217; confuses the drama. The protagonist is the one who has the central goal in the film and the audience should want to see him succeed in achieving the goal. Vargas is the protagonist. Without Vargas the film has no reason to exist. His goal is to defend the innocent man and take down Quinlan. What is complicated and wonderful about &#8216;Touch of Evil&#8217; is how Welles makes the villain sympathetic. A great example of a somewhat &#8216;modern&#8217; film is &#8220;Wall Street&#8221;. Gordon Gecko is designed to be the villain in the film but he turns out to be a much stronger character with more dimension. Vargas and Bud come come off as earnest and boring compared to their counterparts. If the filmmakers painted these characters with an archetypal brush then we might feel different about them (monsters). Both characters are driven by what they believe is right (Quinlan and Gecko) and they end up overshadowing the righteous and earnest protagonists. </p>
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		By: duchamp		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article and to keep in mind developing stories. Some things that came to my mind:
Was &quot;Touch ov Evil&quot; not just ahead of its time? In more recent - and successful - films, these different functions are often divided between characters. &quot;The Silence of the Lambs&quot; and many thriller / crime flicks are featuring a counterpart of the protagonist with the theme`s focus on him. In &quot;To Live and Die in L.A.&quot; Willem Dafoe`s character is more fascinating than the cops. And to be honest, the most interesting character in &quot;Star Wars&quot; (if there is any) is Darth Vader. Isn`t &quot;Apocalypse Now&quot; more Kurtz than Willard? This is an extreme example, as Kurtz is just appearing in the end, but he is Willard`s target from the very beginning ...
Another &quot;ahead of its time&quot; film is Laughton`s  &quot;Night of the Hunter&quot;. Isn`t it a film about Mitchum`s  character? But who is the protagonist? The kids are. Hero? none at all. Welcome, unsuccessfulness box-office-wise.

It is always challenging to split the audience`s concentration and emotional engagement between more than the &quot;one&quot; main character. But today, people seem to be much more aware of their own ambivalence and ambiguity - superheroes are not &quot;supermen&quot; anymore, but rather &quot;split personalities&quot;, and so on. To break with the &quot;hero&quot; as a single concept to lead through all main aspects of a film, seems to reflect a certan point of view about human nature and how it should be represented in a piece of art becoming more and more complex in the last decades.
One of the main &quot;scandalous&quot; movies - and a huge success - also connected to all this, is &quot;Psycho&quot;, with the death of the (we thought so far) heroine, protagonist and main character after not even half of the film!
Well, seems to be a lot to think about - at least for me. Thanks for your input! :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and to keep in mind developing stories. Some things that came to my mind:<br />
Was &#8220;Touch ov Evil&#8221; not just ahead of its time? In more recent &#8211; and successful &#8211; films, these different functions are often divided between characters. &#8220;The Silence of the Lambs&#8221; and many thriller / crime flicks are featuring a counterpart of the protagonist with the theme`s focus on him. In &#8220;To Live and Die in L.A.&#8221; Willem Dafoe`s character is more fascinating than the cops. And to be honest, the most interesting character in &#8220;Star Wars&#8221; (if there is any) is Darth Vader. Isn`t &#8220;Apocalypse Now&#8221; more Kurtz than Willard? This is an extreme example, as Kurtz is just appearing in the end, but he is Willard`s target from the very beginning &#8230;<br />
Another &#8220;ahead of its time&#8221; film is Laughton`s  &#8220;Night of the Hunter&#8221;. Isn`t it a film about Mitchum`s  character? But who is the protagonist? The kids are. Hero? none at all. Welcome, unsuccessfulness box-office-wise.</p>
<p>It is always challenging to split the audience`s concentration and emotional engagement between more than the &#8220;one&#8221; main character. But today, people seem to be much more aware of their own ambivalence and ambiguity &#8211; superheroes are not &#8220;supermen&#8221; anymore, but rather &#8220;split personalities&#8221;, and so on. To break with the &#8220;hero&#8221; as a single concept to lead through all main aspects of a film, seems to reflect a certan point of view about human nature and how it should be represented in a piece of art becoming more and more complex in the last decades.<br />
One of the main &#8220;scandalous&#8221; movies &#8211; and a huge success &#8211; also connected to all this, is &#8220;Psycho&#8221;, with the death of the (we thought so far) heroine, protagonist and main character after not even half of the film!<br />
Well, seems to be a lot to think about &#8211; at least for me. Thanks for your input! :-)</p>
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		By: Nia Malika Dixon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thestorydepartment.com/touch-of-evil-and-the-hero-problem/#comment-1100&quot;&gt;Craigry Price Shell&lt;/a&gt;.

I wrote a film noir, Breaking The Girl, and your description above is my story perfectly explained. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/touch-of-evil-and-the-hero-problem/#comment-1100">Craigry Price Shell</a>.</p>
<p>I wrote a film noir, Breaking The Girl, and your description above is my story perfectly explained. :-)</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thestorydepartment.com/touch-of-evil-and-the-hero-problem/#comment-1100&quot;&gt;Craigry Price Shell&lt;/a&gt;.

I LOVE that definition.

Well, it&#039;s not really a definition but it captures the essence of what the genre stands for.

Thanks Craig!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/touch-of-evil-and-the-hero-problem/#comment-1100">Craigry Price Shell</a>.</p>
<p>I LOVE that definition.</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s not really a definition but it captures the essence of what the genre stands for.</p>
<p>Thanks Craig!</p>
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		By: Craigry Price Shell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thestorydepartment.com/touch-of-evil-and-the-hero-problem/#comment-1098&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

I would say Noir is &quot;The Poetry Of Failure&quot;.
Men are foiled by the gods or their own flaws.
Goals are achieved but prizes rarely won.
No one ever gets what they really want.
The schemes of the evil as well as the righteous are set asunder.
The hero is left standing in the ashes of someone&#039;s dreams.
The best Noir, serves to point out the folly of men.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/touch-of-evil-and-the-hero-problem/#comment-1098">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>I would say Noir is &#8220;The Poetry Of Failure&#8221;.<br />
Men are foiled by the gods or their own flaws.<br />
Goals are achieved but prizes rarely won.<br />
No one ever gets what they really want.<br />
The schemes of the evil as well as the righteous are set asunder.<br />
The hero is left standing in the ashes of someone&#8217;s dreams.<br />
The best Noir, serves to point out the folly of men.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ferris Bueller&#039;s Day Off, Good Will Hunting both have separate characters who lead the story and who drive the story and change.

I&#039;d say it definitely works, but you better know what you&#039;re doing before you start.

Anytime you have a lead without a goal, make sure you have someone else with one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferris Bueller&#8217;s Day Off, Good Will Hunting both have separate characters who lead the story and who drive the story and change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say it definitely works, but you better know what you&#8217;re doing before you start.</p>
<p>Anytime you have a lead without a goal, make sure you have someone else with one.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thestorydepartment.com/touch-of-evil-and-the-hero-problem/#comment-1097&quot;&gt;Crgshell&lt;/a&gt;.

I didn&#039;t mean to say that every Noir needs to have a femme fatale as the cause of the downfall. The character&#039;s fatal flaw is far more important. 

I do need to see The Killing again... Wasn&#039;t his greed the reason for his demise?

Now, the real question is: what are the absolute essential components of Noir in your view?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/touch-of-evil-and-the-hero-problem/#comment-1097">Crgshell</a>.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to say that every Noir needs to have a femme fatale as the cause of the downfall. The character&#8217;s fatal flaw is far more important. </p>
<p>I do need to see The Killing again&#8230; Wasn&#8217;t his greed the reason for his demise?</p>
<p>Now, the real question is: what are the absolute essential components of Noir in your view?</p>
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