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		By: Screenwriting Basics [Story&#8217;s Holy Trinity] &#124; On Scriptwriting		</title>
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		By: Steven Fernandez		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2015 14:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Funnily enough relentlessness - essentially what Karel would call obsessiveness - is what I teach are one of the three must-have traits of any compelling villain.  Never thought the trait would particularly apply to protagonists as well.  (Though one of my key criticisms of Australian features continues to be that their protagonists have no backbone.) 

Question for you, Karel:  How does obsessiveness relate to the Hero&#039;s Journey?  I mean, is it not usual for the protagonist to be stumbling and unsure after the inciting incident?  And so, how can obsessiveness come in at that stage?  Perhaps the classic case of young Luke Skywalker could be used as your explanatory example here?  

Steven.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily enough relentlessness &#8211; essentially what Karel would call obsessiveness &#8211; is what I teach are one of the three must-have traits of any compelling villain.  Never thought the trait would particularly apply to protagonists as well.  (Though one of my key criticisms of Australian features continues to be that their protagonists have no backbone.) </p>
<p>Question for you, Karel:  How does obsessiveness relate to the Hero&#8217;s Journey?  I mean, is it not usual for the protagonist to be stumbling and unsure after the inciting incident?  And so, how can obsessiveness come in at that stage?  Perhaps the classic case of young Luke Skywalker could be used as your explanatory example here?  </p>
<p>Steven.</p>
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		By: Yves Lavandier		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 10:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another beautiful willing protagonist : Annie Sullivan in THE MIRACLE WORKER. The scene where she forces Helen to eat is marvelous. There is even a small gag. Annie starts at lunch and when Helen yields, it&#039;s dinner time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another beautiful willing protagonist : Annie Sullivan in THE MIRACLE WORKER. The scene where she forces Helen to eat is marvelous. There is even a small gag. Annie starts at lunch and when Helen yields, it&#8217;s dinner time.</p>
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		By: Karel Segers		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thestorydepartment.com/what-makes-a-great-character-and-its-not-what-you-think/#comment-332561&quot;&gt;David Bofinger&lt;/a&gt;.

Nice, David. Thanks!

Tyler Durden - a character from a $20m arthouse film ;o)
The Dude - DEFINITELY obsessive about his rug!]]></description>
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<p>Nice, David. Thanks!</p>
<p>Tyler Durden &#8211; a character from a $20m arthouse film ;o)<br />
The Dude &#8211; DEFINITELY obsessive about his rug!</p>
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		By: David Bofinger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thestorydepartment.com/what-makes-a-great-character-and-its-not-what-you-think/#comment-332550&quot;&gt;Karel Segers&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe the key point is that there are certain weaknesses central characters must not have, like apathy. No drive is bad, one drive (obsessive) can be enough, multiple drives can also be good.

Joy starts the movie obsessive about making Riley happy. Hence not allowing Sadness to touch the memories. But that changes. She might be a serial obsessive, I guess.

Michael Corleone does what he does for his family&#039;s sake, not despite it. He&#039;d have rather married a civilian and walked into the sunset at the start of the film, but if he does that his family dies so he can&#039;t.

Starting from https://www.filmsite.org/100characters4.html

Vito Corleone: I guess I have to give you this one, he&#039;s obsessive.
Fred Dobbs: It&#039;s not that he&#039;s obsessive, it&#039;s his paranoia. But close enough.
Scarlett O&#039;Hara: certainly develops obsessions at some times in the story.
Norman Bates: multiple personalities, some of which are obsessive perhaps.

I seem to be doing very badly here but I just noticed all these characters are from the 1970s at the latest, Let&#039;s try something more modern. https://www.etcanada.com/movies/photos/empire_mag_readers_favourite_movie_characters_of_all_time.aspx#!Indiana_Jones

1. Indiana Jones: Multiple drivers: uncover buried secrets, stop the nazis, save the girl ... when he has a rocket launcher aimed at the ark his rival calls his bluff and it&#039;s the balance of the drives that matters.
2. James Bond: Save the world, get the girl: sometime sthey come into conflict.
3. Han Solo: mercenary but not as mercenary as he likes to pretend, help his friends, protect his love. At a key plot point decides to abandon his friends and is probably at least partially talked out of it by Chewie. Definitely multiple drives.
4. Batman: I guess I&#039;ll give you this one, he&#039;s an obsessive.
5. Ripley: Survival horror so she&#039;s just doing what anyone would do - trying to survive.
6. The Joker: obsessive? Though a mercurial one. Perhaps a serial obsessive, leaping from project to project.
7. John McClane: partially survival-drive, partially save the girl, partially do the job. As it turns out the drives never clash so he acts like an obsessive but maybe isn&#039;t.
8. Tyler Durden: obsessive?
9. Darth Vader: Always a little tension between serving the emperor, avenging insults to the force by colleagues and wanting to recruit his son.
10. The Dude: I vaguely recall this film.

For these more modern characters being obsessive is a little rarer.

An obsessive we all loved: T-800 series from Terminator. You put one of those on the job they don&#039;t slack off when they get tired.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/what-makes-a-great-character-and-its-not-what-you-think/#comment-332550">Karel Segers</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe the key point is that there are certain weaknesses central characters must not have, like apathy. No drive is bad, one drive (obsessive) can be enough, multiple drives can also be good.</p>
<p>Joy starts the movie obsessive about making Riley happy. Hence not allowing Sadness to touch the memories. But that changes. She might be a serial obsessive, I guess.</p>
<p>Michael Corleone does what he does for his family&#8217;s sake, not despite it. He&#8217;d have rather married a civilian and walked into the sunset at the start of the film, but if he does that his family dies so he can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Starting from <a href="https://www.filmsite.org/100characters4.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.filmsite.org/100characters4.html</a></p>
<p>Vito Corleone: I guess I have to give you this one, he&#8217;s obsessive.<br />
Fred Dobbs: It&#8217;s not that he&#8217;s obsessive, it&#8217;s his paranoia. But close enough.<br />
Scarlett O&#8217;Hara: certainly develops obsessions at some times in the story.<br />
Norman Bates: multiple personalities, some of which are obsessive perhaps.</p>
<p>I seem to be doing very badly here but I just noticed all these characters are from the 1970s at the latest, Let&#8217;s try something more modern. <a href="https://www.etcanada.com/movies/photos/empire_mag_readers_favourite_movie_characters_of_all_time.aspx#!Indiana_Jones" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.etcanada.com/movies/photos/empire_mag_readers_favourite_movie_characters_of_all_time.aspx#!Indiana_Jones</a></p>
<p>1. Indiana Jones: Multiple drivers: uncover buried secrets, stop the nazis, save the girl &#8230; when he has a rocket launcher aimed at the ark his rival calls his bluff and it&#8217;s the balance of the drives that matters.<br />
2. James Bond: Save the world, get the girl: sometime sthey come into conflict.<br />
3. Han Solo: mercenary but not as mercenary as he likes to pretend, help his friends, protect his love. At a key plot point decides to abandon his friends and is probably at least partially talked out of it by Chewie. Definitely multiple drives.<br />
4. Batman: I guess I&#8217;ll give you this one, he&#8217;s an obsessive.<br />
5. Ripley: Survival horror so she&#8217;s just doing what anyone would do &#8211; trying to survive.<br />
6. The Joker: obsessive? Though a mercurial one. Perhaps a serial obsessive, leaping from project to project.<br />
7. John McClane: partially survival-drive, partially save the girl, partially do the job. As it turns out the drives never clash so he acts like an obsessive but maybe isn&#8217;t.<br />
8. Tyler Durden: obsessive?<br />
9. Darth Vader: Always a little tension between serving the emperor, avenging insults to the force by colleagues and wanting to recruit his son.<br />
10. The Dude: I vaguely recall this film.</p>
<p>For these more modern characters being obsessive is a little rarer.</p>
<p>An obsessive we all loved: T-800 series from Terminator. You put one of those on the job they don&#8217;t slack off when they get tired.</p>
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		By: Yves Lavandier		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thestorydepartment.com/what-makes-a-great-character-and-its-not-what-you-think/#comment-332558&quot;&gt;Karel Segers&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Karel. Another useful link : https://www.clown-enfant.com/leclown/shop/category.php?pageid=8. What&#039;s great, these days, is that we have so many inputs on story telling. We can grab gems here and there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/what-makes-a-great-character-and-its-not-what-you-think/#comment-332558">Karel Segers</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Karel. Another useful link : <a href="https://www.clown-enfant.com/leclown/shop/category.php?pageid=8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.clown-enfant.com/leclown/shop/category.php?pageid=8</a>. What&#8217;s great, these days, is that we have so many inputs on story telling. We can grab gems here and there.</p>
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		By: Yves Lavandier		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yves Lavandier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see a significant connection between the obsessiveness you mention and other elements such as the inciting incident, the stakes and the obstacles. If you create an inciting incident which acts as an electroshock for the future protagonist, there is a good chance he will be fully dedicated to reaching his goal. If you raise the stakes (and make them clear), if the protagonist has really something to lose in the course of the action, then too he will be committed. Last, if you rub salt on his wound, if you oppose him with huge (but not too high) obstacles, you will test your protagonist&#039;s obsessiveness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a significant connection between the obsessiveness you mention and other elements such as the inciting incident, the stakes and the obstacles. If you create an inciting incident which acts as an electroshock for the future protagonist, there is a good chance he will be fully dedicated to reaching his goal. If you raise the stakes (and make them clear), if the protagonist has really something to lose in the course of the action, then too he will be committed. Last, if you rub salt on his wound, if you oppose him with huge (but not too high) obstacles, you will test your protagonist&#8217;s obsessiveness.</p>
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		By: Karel Segers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karel Segers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thestorydepartment.com/what-makes-a-great-character-and-its-not-what-you-think/#comment-332556&quot;&gt;Yves Lavandier&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Yves. Great examples. 
For more examples, people can always go to your book, I guess. ;) 
(Check on this blog: https://thestorydepartment.com/writing-drama-1)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thestorydepartment.com/what-makes-a-great-character-and-its-not-what-you-think/#comment-332556">Yves Lavandier</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Yves. Great examples.<br />
For more examples, people can always go to your book, I guess. ;)<br />
(Check on this blog: <a href="https://thestorydepartment.com/writing-drama-1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thestorydepartment.com/writing-drama-1</a>)</p>
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		By: Yves Lavandier		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know all the quoted characters. I agree with Dave in regards to Michael Corleone. At the beginning, it seems to me he does not wants to get involved. I disagree on Ripley. But... in narratives of survival, the least you expect from protagonists is that they are totally dedicated (to saving their butts!). So the fact that Ripley is obsessive does not suffice to make her likeable. I disagree on Walter White. Granted, his goals evolve but, at the start of the show, he is determined to provide for his family and to go far, very far, to attain that goal. To be torn is not a problem. It&#039;s one kind of obstacles, a nice one. I think your point is very valid. The question &quot;What are they prepared to do?&quot; is paramount. I think of other examples : Mulan, Antigone, the four desperate housewives, Galileo in &quot;Life of Galileo&quot;, Oedipus in &quot;Oedipus the King&quot;, Ethan (John Wayne) in &quot;The Searchers&quot;. Note that Oedipus is torn. Still, he is totally dedicated to eradicating the plague on Thebes. Locally, I would quote McMurphy (Jack Nicholson) in &quot;One Flew over the Cuckoo&#039;s Nest&quot; when he wants to see his baseball game. He is so willing that he ends up getting excited by an imaginary game on a blank screen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know all the quoted characters. I agree with Dave in regards to Michael Corleone. At the beginning, it seems to me he does not wants to get involved. I disagree on Ripley. But&#8230; in narratives of survival, the least you expect from protagonists is that they are totally dedicated (to saving their butts!). So the fact that Ripley is obsessive does not suffice to make her likeable. I disagree on Walter White. Granted, his goals evolve but, at the start of the show, he is determined to provide for his family and to go far, very far, to attain that goal. To be torn is not a problem. It&#8217;s one kind of obstacles, a nice one. I think your point is very valid. The question &#8220;What are they prepared to do?&#8221; is paramount. I think of other examples : Mulan, Antigone, the four desperate housewives, Galileo in &#8220;Life of Galileo&#8221;, Oedipus in &#8220;Oedipus the King&#8221;, Ethan (John Wayne) in &#8220;The Searchers&#8221;. Note that Oedipus is torn. Still, he is totally dedicated to eradicating the plague on Thebes. Locally, I would quote McMurphy (Jack Nicholson) in &#8220;One Flew over the Cuckoo&#8217;s Nest&#8221; when he wants to see his baseball game. He is so willing that he ends up getting excited by an imaginary game on a blank screen.</p>
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