Emotional Logic in the Hero’s Journey

I started blogging when I realized the greatest weakness in Australian screenplays was structure. Since then I have studied story structure to the point some people now call me “Structure Man” and others call me ‘Cookie Cutter’.

by Karel Segers

This post is for those in the latter category. Those who claim that overly structured stories don’t work.

Let me begin by saying I yet have to read an Australian script that is ‘overly structured’. In fact, there is no such thing as ‘overly structured’. Scripts are ‘unoriginal’, ‘boring’ or ‘predictable’. But ‘overly structured’? No. Among the most mathematically structured scripts I know are The Untouchables and The Incredibles. Did you find those boring or predictable? Probably not.

Those who don’t see the merit in strong structure skills mostly haven’t done the hard work.

Oh, and before I see the same hands go up again, let me state the obvious: you don’t write in the creative zone while thinking of structure. You only get to look at your story structure when you’re in the left brain. Over time, structure skills become second nature in the same way you drive your car without thinking about how you shift gears or which foot to use to break.

Why movie structure works

Mourning Young Man #1

Movie structure is nothing more or less than emotional logic. It is the order of things as we understand them subliminally, on a deeper level. It is the psychology of characters as we experience it in our everyday lives.

Recently a student wanted to write a story about a character going through the various stages of grief. No coincidence that these stages match beautifully with the Hero’s Journey.

Movie structure is nothing more or less than emotional logic.


Because this model is all about the necessary steps a character needs to go through before we believe that this character can change.

We’re talking here about change of any kind. Have a look at the Kübler-Ross model with the 5 stages of grief, compared with some of the Hero’s Journey stages.


Kübler-Ross modelThe Hero’s Journey
LossCall to Adventure
DenialRefusal of the Call
BargainingApproach to the Inmost Cave


Another student once asked me if there is a correlation between the Hero’s 12 journey stages and the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous. The answer is: yes, but not because of the number twelve. In fact Joseph Campbell used a few more stages than Vogler’s twelve.

Wherever we see character change or any behavioral change such as addiction recovery, the character will have gone through a minimal number of steps, or we won’t buy it.  Character change follows certain patterns and this emotional logic is reflected in the 3-Act Structure and Hero’s Journey. It is firmly grounded in human psychology and therefore ignoring it makes your story unbelievable to a mainstream audience.

This emotional logic is reflected in
the 3-Act Structure and Hero’s Journey.

For this reason, you can’t just skip steps unpunished.

The Mythology of Redemption

An incident at my son’s preschool some years ago gave me an interesting insight. I learned about my own darkest emotions – and how the principles of character transformation are engrained in our collective unconscious.

The school management stuffed up, in a major way. As a result, fifteen adorable pre-school kids lost their teacher and were subsequently left rudderless for the last three months of the school year. The decision was irreversible and as a parent all I could do was accept it (after going through the stages above).

The principles of character transformation
are engrained in our collective unconscious.

Day 39 :: my own worst enemy

Then the management kept bungling and I felt that something – or someone – needed to change.

The principal had been making mistakes that reflected a lack of competence or at the very least a temporary incapacity to manage the school’s affairs satisfactorily.

This person was the Hero in her own story and she needed to go on a journey of change, or…

How I became The Shadow

When the parents asked for an explanation, the management responded that no mistakes had been made and the principal would continue to take the children’s best interests at heart. No acknowledgment.  No redemption.

I didn’t buy it, nor did any other parent. When we called a meeting of the school’s Board, all we got was another litany of denial.

Ironically, in the meantime slowly things started to change for the better at the school.  But I was not happy, nor were most other parents.

That doesn’t make any sense. Things were improving?

What more could we hope for?


There had not been a public apology. There had not been an open redemption for all the mistakes from the past.

As human beings, we need to see this redemption. We need to see the perpetrator of the wrongdoings taking the blame – publicly. Or else we don’t believe any improvement is genuine.

It took Australia many generations to say ‘Sorry’ to the indigenous people for stealing their land, then their children. But it had to be done.

This is emotional logic.

This is why The Hero’s Journey works. This is why we see a scene of public redemption at the end of Act Two in so many movies. It is what we subliminally need to see before we believe character change to be real and lasting.

This structure is not dogmatic; it works because it reflects the true nature of the human kind.

Hey, look at those stages again…

They map your journey to successful screenwriting:

  1. you’ll deny the need for structure
  2. you’ll be angry that without, it doesn’t work
  3. you’ll bargain and compensate with extra-awesome dialogue
  4. you’ll be depressed because your efforts still don’t pay off
  5. you’ll accept the need for structure – and be successful

Now go and start your grieving.

– Karel Segers

Karel Segers is a producer and script consultant who started in movies as a rights buyer for Europe’s largest pay TV group Canal+.

Back then it was handy to speak 5 languages. Less so today in Australia. Karel teaches, consults and lectures on screenwriting and the principles of storytelling to his 7-year old son Baxter and anyone else who listens.
He is also the boss of this blog.


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9 thoughts on “Emotional Logic in the Hero’s Journey”

  1. Karel, I don’t disagree with your observations, your interpretations, or your comments other than to say that your use of the word “logic” in the description of your argument is discomforting. My understanding and use of the word “logic” flies in the face of the word “emotion.” I understand your argument, but I’m uncomfortable with what you’ve chosen to call it. If I imagine an ordinary human–an everyman–I would make his skeletal system analogous to “logic” and his soul analogous to “emotion.” We need both, but one of those elements can be severely damaged while the other remains healthy; indeed, given the motivation and opportunity, one of those elements can help to heal the other. I also think that, if and when we ignore one of those elements to devote too much care and attention on the other, we can go off the deep end—physically or emotionally.

  2. Hey Peter, really great stuff on structure. I have a script called Crossroads which has five story lines …. almost like the American film Crash… the structure was hard work as everything happens in 12 hours and five stories are told… rayda

  3. I love that this article exists because I agree, a movie cannot be over structured. Creativity works in conjunction with paying close attention to structure. Once you’ve figured out what needs to happen, then you can let your right brain go to work on making it happen in an original way.

    I agree with your points as they apply to feature films and I thought your use of the term logic made sense in the context. The way it appears to be a paradox in the heading is an intriguing setup for the article that follows. As soon as you make it something like ’emotional flow’ you lessen the impact of the term so it becomes easily ignored or accepted without really being giving serious attention. ‘Logic’ is a commanding concept and there is a logic to the way emotions work. An audience will have a hard time sympathising with a character who acts in a consistently emotionally illogical way.

    I would suggest that one exception to the need for resolution and all the stages of the Hero’s Journey is in the short film format. Stages in the process can’t be skipped but one part of the journey can be focused on in the limited time afforded. I’m not sure which parts of the process could be explored in a short film and the resulting movie still be considered successful. Maybe it would have to be the part of the story with the most drama? If the protagonist never reaches the stage of acceptance, despite the audience’s expectations, it’s possible your audience will be dissatisfied. But at least they’ll be talking, right?

  4. Structure is there to serve your storytelling. It is your slave, you’re not its. Use it, and don’t fight it. Would a general fight with his own soldiers?

  5. I understand what Karel was saying in using the term “emotional logic”. I prefer the term “emotional flow” myself because that’s my felt sense of what is happening: emotional responses are evoked and directed (flow) according to the logic of the plot analogous to how an irrigation system is used to collect and direct the flow of water. The plot is an emotional delivery system.


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